Twelve people were gunned down for publishing a cartoon of Muhammad.
A teacher was beheaded for showing a drawing of Muhammad.
Cartoonist drew Muhammad, leading to Danish embassies being attacked and riots broke out and people died. Later, people broke into his house to try to kill him.
Cartoonist had to live under police protection because of threats.
Creators of South Park were threatened for including Muhammad in an episode of the show.
Salman Rushdie was stabbed on stage
A teacher forced into hiding for showing a picture of Muhammad
I don’t care if you want to claim all religions are equally capable of violence.
There is only one religion I’m deathly afraid of pissing off if I choose to criticize them publicly.
I remember when the South Park drama happened, and Matt and Trey were both like “you guys realize he’s been in every single episode for months now, right? He’s in the intro. It’s only an issue now because we had him as a focus of the episode.”
Pls don’t kill me for posting this. A holy warrior already smote the guy that drew it 🙏
My question is, if it is supposedly abominable to show a picture of Mohamed, thus there are no extant pictures of him, how does the claim that any particular doodle of a guy in a turban with a beard actually is a depiction of Mohamed stand up to logical scrutiny? (That was a rhetorical question. I know my error was actually in including the word “logic.”)
You can’t prove it’s actually him. This could just be the Continuing Adventures of Captain Bomb Hat, an individual completely unrelated.
- Draw racist caricature
- Label it “Mohammad”
You’ll KNOW it’s a drawing of Muhammad because the artist will be killed by a Muslim.
Truly the prophet of a thousand faces
Murder
Really? Besides Muhammad, name 1 other well known person who showing a benign picture of him causes a real risk of getting killed by his fans?
name 1 other well known person who showing a benign picture of him causes a real risk of getting killed by his fans?
I’ve gotta say, I know quite a few Muslims and I can’t think of one who would so much as take a swing at me for running around in a big t-shirt with Muhammad’s face on it. Meanwhile, I can think of a few people who would take a swing at me if I was wearing, say, Osama Bin Laden.
Well I don’t know if you heard but there’s this orange deranged guy.
Showing a benign picture of him won’t get you killed.
Does this narrow it down better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
I’m really confused about the “No one can have my picture but almost every single one of my male believers is going to carry my name” situation.
Religions are kind of weird, aren’t they?
Fun fact: While pictures of Mohammed are a no-no for Sunnis (Arabic World), it’s a common thing for Shias (Iran mostly).
Always has been. Religion is the single biggest reason to not believe in religion.
“Religion has given us hope in a world torn apart by religion.”
Well, really fundamentalist whackdoodle strains of Islam actually go so far as to claim that no pictorial depiction of any living thing is allowed. They just get really extra touchy about old Mr. M.
Jury’s out on how, exactly, that would stand up to things like television and photographs. But I’m not an imam and I don’t have the entirety of the hadiths in front of me so I don’t fuckin’ know. The whole thing is obviously wonky on its face.
the picture thing is to avoid idolatry, which was the main type of religion in the region at the time Islam was beginning. people were used to worship to (or via) visual depictions of gods, so a ban on visual representations of people was an effort to avoid people falling into old habits.
that’s why currently an overwhelming majority of Muslims don’t care about depictions of people in general, but they still don’t allow the prophet or god to be depicted (god isn’t supposed to have any physical form anyway) because that would be too close to idolatry.
kind of the opposite approach of christians with pagans, where christians appropriated pagan symbols to make Christianity more appealing, media were concerned with differentiating themselves from other religions.
uttering names isn’t taboo in Islam like it is in Christianity. while some Christians avoid saying God, Jesus or the like, Muslims are encouraged to use god’s name frequently. however they’re not allowed to call people certain names reserved for god alone, but that isn’t the case for the prophet. so it’s considered sort of a tribute or a sign of respect to name people after the prophet.
interesting fact, Muhammed isn’t the prophet’s only name, so while this is the most common name in the world, the number of people named after the prophet is even higher, because it includes some other names, most common after Muhammed being Ahmed.
This one?
No this is a common misconception. That’s Brian, and he is a very naughty boy
For a moment I thought this was a character from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure lol
How do we know it’s not?
Which heavy metal band is he named after?
There once was a post on the Onion about a caricature of Christian, Judaist, Hindu and Buddhist gods having an orgy and no believers wishing death upon the author, but sighing and closing the tab instead.
There was one with mohammed included too in a french satirical paper, but it was sometimes in the -70 or -80. Much cooler times.
…didn’t that French newspaper then much later end up getting shot up?
Fucking Star Wars fans…
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And here I thought it was Jar Jar Binks.
Yeah this always struck my as bonkers. I personally like how South Park did it - with a full-body censor car. Even then the religious fanatics got salty about it.
I dunno, that “other” group of fanatics isn’t in charge of the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world, so I’d dispute them being “far more dangerous.”
There was a time in Europe where it was illegal to draw something to realistic thanks to the church.
There was also a time when it was believed that Jesus, being perfect, was incapable of change. It’s why so many old paintings of Jesus look like middle aged babies; They believed that Jesus was born with an adult’s body, just baby-sized. Cuz if he was perfect, there would be no room for change. So lots of old paintings of Jesus have him looking like a tiny middle aged man.
I love that he has a receding hairline there. Also that’s a bit old of a look for a man who died at like 30
That was like getting to 60 in today’s terms
You’re probably joking but if you’re not, this idea pisses me off.
The average is skewed by childhood mortality at birth or due to childhood diseases and birth defects. If you made it to 20 in the Bronze Age and weren’t killed by violence, there’s a damn good chance you’d hit 60 or 70 years old.
I need explainxkcd.com, but for memes.
There have been several violent incidents in reaction to published depictions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, which is strictly forbidden by some interpretations of the Sahih al-Bukhari, one of the major Sunni Islamic texts.
I’m assuming that’s what’s being alluded to here.
But like, that’s stupid they don’t expect us to eat halal why do they expect us not to depict their prophet?
Basically they managed to convince a lot of people that drawing Mohammad is hate speech, while obviously such depictions do exist (especially those that also conflate having an Arabic decent with Islamism), it’s just certain fundamentalists won the free marketplace of ideas through bullying and terrorism.
Despite all the legitimate critiques, it was a mistake to succumb, now Christian fundamentalists are trying the same, see the overreaction to the Olympics.
now Christian fundamentalists are trying the same, see the overreaction to the Olympics.
I’m OotL on the Shitlympics intentionally, what are the big babies crying about now?
People want to claim the drag performance was making fun of “The Last Supper” and the Gojira concert was “satanic”.
People want to claim the drag performance was making fun of “The Last Supper”
By their own statements, that was their actual intention though.
No it wasn’t. It was an homage to a French painting of Greek gods having a bacchanal.
It’s not every muslim. Only the bigoted/loudest ones. Just like not every christian intimidates you to accept Jesus as your savior.
I wonder if the anonymous nature of memes could “shield” authors making images of Mohammad? How would you track them down? Would be even more difficult on federated instances/ActivityPub.
That’s actually a fair point but then loser butthurt extremists will probably just attack random targets (like they already have many times) because someone’s gotta pay for the offense caused.
