• borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Russia instigated a war by invading Ukraine. Driving out a hostile force, that force ceasing combat operations, and the belligerent nation formally surrendering and returning captured land is generally referred to as defeating them, at least that’s my understanding of it. Do you have some other understanding of what is meant by “defeating Russia”?

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        They want a ‘negotiated peace’ in which Ukraine is oh-so-generously allowed by Russia to keep whatever territory is not currently occupied. See? Defending Ukraine without defeating Russia! That mass ethnic cleansing will and has been going on in the occupied territories doesn’t matter to them - just consider Russia’s Legitimate Security Concerns™

        /s if that’s needed

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      It’s fun to see you “Bothsides” types in the wild, playing apologist for genocide.

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      All the people pushing for a negotiated peace settlement will be quiet I’ll bel you. Because up to now Ukraine really did not have anything to barter with, other than prolonging the war.

      Now that Ukraine holds Russian territory, the Russian calls for peace will be silent, and the pro negotiations people will be too. This shows that the calls for negotiations where bad faith all along.

      Let’s see what happens now.