The low polygonal design is definitely not for everyone. However, this still doesn’t explain why the vehicle triggers people so much.
It’s more than enough. You spent north of $100,000 on something that looks like a child’s drawing of a car. This isn’t a real thinker - you will be mocked.
Do you think “black and white” just means that I have an opinion that I feel is correct?
You preclude the possibility of justice being obtained.
How did you even possibly get this from what I’ve said? I feel that allowing free speech is justice.
I’m sure it’s just everybody else being irrational right?
Not one person has yet actually asked me to clarify my position. You’ve all only told me what I really mean. So yes - it is everyone else being irrational.
MuSk BaD!!!
And you extrapolated that to “the possibility of injustice makes justice unobtainable”.
If you really care - and I suspect you don’t because you’re just another lemmykin who just wants to jump on somebody who disagrees with you and “be right” - I’m saying the risk involved with state-sponsored censorship is higher than the risk associated with allowing misinformation to be spread.
This is why I say the original case largely doesn’t matter - because my position doesn’t depend on the veracity of the claims being made. I’m arguing about what a state should and should not be allowed to do. Because the state is sometimes led by people who define truth very differently from how I would want.
You think this translates to “the possibility of injustice makes justice unobtainable”???
you take the position that the possibility of injustice makes justice unobtainable
Explain how that’s my position. Please use references to support your argument.
Because that’s not my position. Nor have I stated it as my position. I recommend searching for the word “risk” when reading my prior comments.
EDIT: Oh - sorry… I guess I’m just off-topic in here. ELON BAD LOL
As you can see the topics you tried to bring up nobody is agreeing with you.
So you do just want a circle-jerk!
Huuur durrr Elon bad! Suck it space-man!
That better? Will I get the juicy “likes” now?
If you can lazily disparage a nation based on the bad things you read in the news then I can make lazy assumptions about your nation.
It’s funny that you never even try to defend any of these accounts.
Why would you think that I would? Have you not understood literally anything I’ve been saying?
The best way to show that Brazil is in the wrong would be to show that the people being banned were posting true statements.
What a remarkably simple view of the world you have. It’s like you think this is a sitcom plot. Do you want Musk to wear black and the judge to wear white so that you have an easier time recognizing who is the villain?
As I said in my original post - both sides can be wrong. One side being wrong doesn’t make the other side right.
This thread is the one I started with my top-level comment that I invite you to read to know what you’re replying to.
And just a bit of an FYI - people can discuss components of an article that don’t specifically relate to every part of the article. For example - I could raise the issue of “freedom of speech” and how it relates to any nation generally without discussing the specific case in Brazil. Isn’t that fun and interesting! Or would you rather I just circle-jerk “hur hur musk bad”?
Yep. Truly it is a paradise with no problems at all.
I’m sure your country is perfection.
I’m discussing principles - they aren’t limited to Brazil. If you want to explicitly only discuss the exact situation in Brazil then this isn’t the thread for you.
We’re doing just fine thanks.
Neat - let’s go with that.
According to Trump the MSM is “fake news” and thus spreading disinformation. We’ll shutdown CNN and MSNBC immediately and levy heavy fines on other stations that continue to spread dangerous content. It’s also a fact that he won the 2020 election and people claiming otherwise are also spreading dangerous misinformation that threatens our democracy - they should be silenced as well - to protect the nation.
Good plan. This will go well.
How do you feel about the “Don’t say gay” bill? Because that’s exactly the sort of abuse I’m talking about.
This shit is hard, and complicated, and very often requires trust in things that are scary to trust or tell us things that might make us face something we don’t want to face.
That trust is being placed in the hands of people like Donald J. Trump. Let that sink in. In the US our judiciary has said that they are not the ones who should decide what is or isn’t valid speech (for the most part, some exceptions apply, yadda yadda) - that this would be left for the populace to decide. And I whole-heatedly agree with that decision.
Because guess what - if people cannot peaceably protest then the will violently protest. You’re not stopping the ideas. You’re not going to stop people from being bad. You’re just giving the government a back-door to silencing criticism.
It’s a risk. A demonstrable one at at that. This isn’t some vague “the gubmint is commin’ fer yer guns” stuff. Governments abuse their vast power to silence individuals all the time. And I don’t need to invoke Putin show show it - right now in Florida there is a government working very hard to outlaw LGBTQ ideas, books, and, yes, speech. You want those people to have a voice even if they’re a threat to those in power.
The people defining “threat” aren’t always going to be people you agree with.
Shit like libertarianism and adjecent ideologies promise easy answers and they’ve never delivered.
That’s entirely uncalled for - I’m not espousing libertarianism any more than you are by having any free speech at all.
Sorry, I live in a country where you can’t just say slurs and shit all over people based on their race or sexuality. And I don’t really know about Brazil, to be honest, but I sure don’t give a fuck about the laws in the U.S. here since we’re talking about Brazil.
Fine with me.
At some point you have to put your foot down and you’re just going to have to deal with that. Tolerance is not a paradox if you have two braincells to knock together and the country does not need to tolerate someone trying to incite further violence on the basis that they’re upset about the results of a fair election.
Define “fair.”
No I’m not joking. Ask Donald Trump what a “fair election” is. Ask Putin what a “fair election” is. These people have been or are in power. At what point should Donald Trump be able to decide what is valid political speech or what speech is a national security risk?
You’re asking the government to police itself. That works for as long as the government wants to. It’s very dangerous. History is replete with examples of governments abusing their power. “Some random citizen saying shitty things” is nowhere near as risky.
So the X accounts belonged to legitimate political opponents, they weren’t spreading disinformation?
I don’t want the government deciding who is or is not a “legitimate political opponent”. That double-edged-sword swings both ways and cuts very easily.
Lite?