thats so true. i once was downvoted to oblivion because i asked what the posted meme meant since it wasnt obvious
“…or is this actually a thing now?”
Always has been.
I’ll see myself out.
I think it happens all over and sometimes it really kind of depends on how long your argument is and the general impression people get from the first part of it. If you’re making a devil’s advocate argument in the first part, but then the twist comes later on, people are going to think your first devil’s advocate argument is the gist of it and downvote you based on that alone without getting into the nitty gritty. If people can form a knee-jerk reaction within the first few seconds of reading your post, they will, nuance gets lost.
I tend to leave really long comments, sometimes with a bit of raw information, so I see how that can be the case. Some communities like reading all the way trough, but I’m pretty sure that in some places, they don’t even read my username, just vote based on my avatar.
Fwiw, apps like Boost don’t even show avatars (unless you tap through to the profile)
You have 2 down votes currently, so I’m going to downvote without reading. Sorry, thems the rules.
:(
Just ignore up and down votes. They do not matter at all. If someone or a group don’t like your comment, well that’s a them problem. It should have no bearing on your life what so ever.
The votes still represent something in my opinion, that’s why they’re there. And I really don’t like it when I spend time writing, sometimes researching, formatting and somebody just says „no, this is shit” without even reading the first sentence, because they can just do that.
I’ve read your comment and decide it is shit, you should feel bad and go touch some grass no life loser who doesn’t get any pussy
You put atleast 130 times more effort to this comment than the average downvoter, thank you, you get my upvote!
They do not matter at all.
I beg to disagree. If “useless internet points” don’t matter, why is there a billion dollar marketing industry surrounding them? I mean all kinds of data mining conducted on all forms of internet reactions. People are paid good money to crunch these types of numbers, including who is casting the votes (man, woman, white, black, American, not-American, liberal, conservative, etc, etc). Then there is the troll/astroturfing angle. There are different types of campaigns that pay drones to upvote or downvote stuff, for marketing purpose or state-actor agendas.
Sure basing your self-esteem on internet points is harmful and useless, but seeing internet reactions as a narcissist fuel only is also naive and misleading. Given the OP wants to get genuine feedback to his opinions to use as a political or moral compass, the question of the feedback quality is not moot at all.
It should have no bearing on your life what so ever.
The feedback quality is also indeterminate. We can’t know the proportion of astroturf, spooks/trolls, and genuine users in any upvote/downvote score and/or reaction. This can lead to a situation where the feedback to your opinions is always muddy, and vague. Do my opinions suck or is this their problem? In real life you won’t get honest feedback to your opinions anyway, for reasons of politeness. I read once this is why conspiracy theories thrive in Facebook more than Twitter (old study), because a network of acquaintances will not challenge your BS, but a crowd of strangers will.
For all these reasons I think the OP’s question is a valid problem we don’t yet have good answers to. And it is relevant to any platform, Lemmy included.
Votes decide which comments get shown or not, and in which order. If you don’t care whether you are being heard, then you might as well just talk to a wall.
Ain’t much better in here kid.
It is, here we have hopeTM
Disney coming for you, for misusing their copyright!
oh no!
Really, really pessimistic hope though lol
And instances can turn off downvotes!
Turning off downvotes is terrible. There should either be no voting, or up and down votes, with both displayed separately. This “upvote” only nonsense was created by corporate sites to make everything look popular for increased engagement, therefore increased ad views. No idea why Lemmy would follow that example.
I support downvotes too, even if it doesn’t look like it from the post. If it’s used correctly, it’s a really good system.
pretty sure because there’s a bunch of amateur porn communities, and people generally stop posting pics of themselves if they get downvoted.
so, since downvotes literally kill those communities, they added the ability to not display downvotes.
my only gripe with this is, that it’s apparently an instance-wide toggle, which is a bit inconvenient…
It’s the same here, except it’s tankies.
It happens here too. This place isn’t exempt.
It does make you wonder if some of the instances were onto something with getting rid of the downvote button. They say it promotes discussion over just downvoting without any information as to why it was bad.
The flip side would be that it allows misinformation to not be shown as such as evidently.
I don’t think that getting rid of downvotes is a good idea, it’s a great tool, just a lot of people use it incorrectly
If anything, Lemmy is worse. I found on reddit, if you at least provided evidence or support for your argument, most of the time people would at least keep your score neutral. Here though, it doesn’t matter what you provide; even if you are 100% correct with no room for argument, people will still downvote you if what you say doesn’t fit the narrative they want to believe.
Can we get a sample of these “unpopular opinions”?
You seem to be pretty up voted on a regular basis except a few comments. In my humble opinion, most of them would not be explained by a specific reddit hive mind but rather classic moral panics. I mean, I’ve been campaigning my whole life for prison reform/abolition and that’s the typical kind of reactions I’ve got… irl. I suppose that’s just what you usually get when saying something which deviates from a specific state of public opinion.
Not trying to play ackshually, but there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with your posts/comments, imo.
Thanks for the review!
Your first mistake was going to reddit.
It has lots of very active niche communities that lemmy just doesn’t have. If you really want them then you have pretty much no choice. It’s also still a very useful site for your browser searches because of the amount of information on it.
It was useful.
Still is, I regularly get great results from it.
True, using Google. But all this information was posted a while ago, usually at least year ago if not few years. This is my experience anyway.
The choice is to start a similar community here and start siphoning users.
I’m going to need a charisma check with double disadvantage on that. Good luck.
Many niche communities have more activity than lemmy itself or something rivaling lemmy. You’re missing my point about lemmy not having enough people. Lemmy is literally carried by few select posters. What’s worse is the fact that many communities straight up can’t be carried by 1 person because it’s for example a community for people’s personal stories and just copy/pasting it to lemmy would kill all nuance to it.
POV : you say something moderately supportive of Palestine in the worldnews subreddit
This has always been a thing and is one on Lemmy too.
I find it so easy to ignore the votes because all I care about is engagement. IDGAF about the arrows. Talk to me. Tell me why I suck.
real. That’s my problem, they don’t have opinions just one good button and one bad button.
You suck because when you put a popsicle in your mouth, you don’t chew it, you lick it.
(/s of course, I have nothing against you :) )
Stop talking about Reddit.
there is a movement, they will soon learn…hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhah ahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahah
shitposting is different here, it doesn’t seem to be degrading, but…they are coming…
I haven’t seen anybody post their actual shit yet, so maybe there is still hope
that’s why they needed to not shit for 3 days
Reddit hivemind has been a thing for the entire history of Reddit.
But not this strong. Since the fuck spez event, you can barely get any answers in the help subs, and you get instantly downvoted when you say something different. They once banned me from a subreddit and suspended me for 7 days from the entire platform because I said „No”. This place is much better, but it feels empty.
Might depend on the sub but it’s always been part of my experience on reddit. I’ve already been downvoted to something like - 70 for explaining commonly misunderstood game mechanics cause I’m a nerd and when I really like a game I like to know how it works in detail. Those were easily verifiable facts.
Out of interest, which game was it?
Zombie mode from CoD. Most people play it casually but there is a handful of people trying to push the mode to its limit and I’m pretty much in-between those two groups, I lack the skill from the top players but I’m more dedicated and knowledgeable than the casual crowd.
Don’t worry, it is empty and thats what makes it better.
Oh and there is already a hive mind mentality on Lemmy.
BTW, I think spez is bottotting shit to inflate reddit usage, and hive mind hijacking is a easy way to do so.
I haven’t seen the hivemind stuff here yet luckily. Also, what is „hive mind hijacking”, I haven’t heard about that before.
I think you might need to take a look at lemmygrad or hexbear, they are a hivemind.
And hijacking as in gathering the time between a certain number of votes (in general) and letting the bots they use vote as well and in a non obvious way. At least thats basically how I coded my reddit bots back in the days…
They might be blocked on lemmy.world, I haven’t ran into them in a long time. Also, thanks for the explanation!
They are, hexbear users were downright unbearable. (Heh)
Oh yeah, also their giga emote spams, but also just generally annoying.
I haven’t been on reddit for years but I always remember it having this problem. My first account was made just so I could get that /r/atheism circlejerk out of my feed.
I don’t know what it’s like now but keep in mind that in addition to the growth, reddit has been taken over by corporate interests. That, and the big increase in traffic, means it’s more of a target for botfarms and things of that nature.
Best way to avoid this problem is to just participate in the smaller niche subreddits in my experience.
In my country it just became an actual „political platform”, the opposition leader started hosting an official AMA today. Maybe like with all things, it’s just politics ruining everything.
That’s not specific to Reddit. That’s just how humanity behaves in large groups. We’re just too damn tribal.
