It must be remembered that Ukraine is using Western arms so while they’re losing in numbers their equipment is of superior quality. Hezbollah doesn’t have that advantage, and in fact it’s the opposite since they rely on inferior Russian and Iranian gear.
An important detail is that advanced western weapons are restricted to operations near our within the recognized borders if Ukraine. The arsenals, refineries, factories, and other strategic targets inside actual Russian territory have been hit with Ukrainian weapons. Most are relatively low payload drones, with some targets being serviced by Neptune land attack variants, which is definitely more advanced than anything in the Iranian arsenal for example. But I think the point stands that relatively cheap and simple systems have provided outsized results in the Ukrainian conflict.
The reason there are warning signs for Israel is because of the sheer economy of drone bombing. When Iran launched over a hundred drones, and only three hit, the media had a chuckle. I’m sure the IDF and the American planners supporting them looked very nervously at the estimated 2.4 billion USD worth of ordinance deployed during the defence. Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are building cheap drones to kill other cheap drones. It’ll be interesting to watch.
So inferior that the Israel strike that was supposed to accomplish SEAD turned and fled when target locked by an unknown anti air defense system?
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested. There is a reason and a strategy for all weapons producing countries doing the same thing. Using current generation systems where their effectiveness can be studied by the enemy is giving the enemy free information.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested.
Hasn’t a lot of it been tested in Ukraine and Gaza? That’s part of why Israel is useful for the West; they get to test their shiny new toys.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
This makes sense in a conflict between equals, but for example Hezbollah literally doesn’t have an air force. Which makes sense because they’re a paramilitary organization, but like yeah it’s not really a question who’s outgunning who here. Hezbollah, and Russian aligned countries in general, primarily use old Soviet models which were at best on equal footing with contemporary Western models. Meanwhile the IDF is one of the most modern armies in the world, only being manned by morons.
If you need more proof that Hezbollah is outgunned here, then look at the state of Southern Lebanon compared to Northern Israel.
… How many villages in southern Lebanon has the IDF captured, again?
Let me guess, you think declaring victory and running away in 2006 meant they won, right?
Man, you should talk to Emperor Gowron. You guys share some ideas.
Edit: and no, cutting edge weapons systems on the Iranian/Russian side have not been used. The west would literally salivate at the opportunity to get some real world data on the S500.
Also, the purpose of American weapons systems is not to be the best. The purpose is to be an expensive and effective way to funnel middle class money to the stock holders of Boeing and Raytheon. Good military systems are as effective as they need to be while being cheap enough to manufacture in large numbers. An anti missle defense system that costs 2 million per missile intercepted when the missiles themselves cost 10 - 100k is an absolute failure, even if it intercepts everything it targets.
Frankly, the country with the most impressive drone program in the world is Yemen.
It must be remembered that Ukraine is using Western arms so while they’re losing in numbers their equipment is of superior quality. Hezbollah doesn’t have that advantage, and in fact it’s the opposite since they rely on inferior Russian and Iranian gear.
An important detail is that advanced western weapons are restricted to operations near our within the recognized borders if Ukraine. The arsenals, refineries, factories, and other strategic targets inside actual Russian territory have been hit with Ukrainian weapons. Most are relatively low payload drones, with some targets being serviced by Neptune land attack variants, which is definitely more advanced than anything in the Iranian arsenal for example. But I think the point stands that relatively cheap and simple systems have provided outsized results in the Ukrainian conflict.
The reason there are warning signs for Israel is because of the sheer economy of drone bombing. When Iran launched over a hundred drones, and only three hit, the media had a chuckle. I’m sure the IDF and the American planners supporting them looked very nervously at the estimated 2.4 billion USD worth of ordinance deployed during the defence. Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are building cheap drones to kill other cheap drones. It’ll be interesting to watch.
Oh I see. That makes sense, and gives me some hope for the future.
So inferior that the Israel strike that was supposed to accomplish SEAD turned and fled when target locked by an unknown anti air defense system?
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested. There is a reason and a strategy for all weapons producing countries doing the same thing. Using current generation systems where their effectiveness can be studied by the enemy is giving the enemy free information.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
Hasn’t a lot of it been tested in Ukraine and Gaza? That’s part of why Israel is useful for the West; they get to test their shiny new toys.
This makes sense in a conflict between equals, but for example Hezbollah literally doesn’t have an air force. Which makes sense because they’re a paramilitary organization, but like yeah it’s not really a question who’s outgunning who here. Hezbollah, and Russian aligned countries in general, primarily use old Soviet models which were at best on equal footing with contemporary Western models. Meanwhile the IDF is one of the most modern armies in the world, only being manned by morons.
If you need more proof that Hezbollah is outgunned here, then look at the state of Southern Lebanon compared to Northern Israel.
… How many villages in southern Lebanon has the IDF captured, again?
Let me guess, you think declaring victory and running away in 2006 meant they won, right?
Man, you should talk to Emperor Gowron. You guys share some ideas.
Edit: and no, cutting edge weapons systems on the Iranian/Russian side have not been used. The west would literally salivate at the opportunity to get some real world data on the S500.
Also, the purpose of American weapons systems is not to be the best. The purpose is to be an expensive and effective way to funnel middle class money to the stock holders of Boeing and Raytheon. Good military systems are as effective as they need to be while being cheap enough to manufacture in large numbers. An anti missle defense system that costs 2 million per missile intercepted when the missiles themselves cost 10 - 100k is an absolute failure, even if it intercepts everything it targets.
Frankly, the country with the most impressive drone program in the world is Yemen.