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  • Because most people don’t exactly want a community-led social platform that respects you and empowers user freedom, even if some say they do.

    Bluesky is promising a Twitter-like experience. They promote their ties to the former Twitter, and promise algorithms, dopamine-inducing “reach” and “engagement”, paid subscriptions, some degree of centralized control (primarily of the network’s infrastructure), and a for-profit VC-funded company, all under the guise of federation. They claim a mastodon-like brand that they are yet to deliver.






  • would you recommend Snikket server (or Prosody) for 1:1, group calls and screen sharing?

    Answering this first so it doesn’t get buried down. Screen sharing wouldn’t be supported by xmpp since its just messaging, but I believe Jitsi has that feature. But for the rest, snikket and conversations (for android) I would recommend, yes.

    When I decided to try XMPP, I had to do a lot of research to decide which applications I should use for the server and client.

    Whatever is the first answer you get from a web search should be fine. Most sources recommend conversations for client, but all the other recommendations you’ll see are good too. For server, the easiest to setup is snikket, but all the other and up to date implementations should work okay, although they might need some configuration if you want all the modern messaging features.

    If we told two people to use these two software independently, they would start using Matrix much more faster than XMPP.

    Why do you think so? Let’s assume a user who doesn’t self host. XMPP clients are far more stable and error free, whereas matrix has random issues every now and then, especially with encryption and public groups.

    XMPP clients are a lot more customizable and come in different models. Matrix has only one client that works well (and some forks of it that look roughly the same). I’d say that’s a win for XMPP for new users.

    Now let’s say it’s a self hosting user. I don’t need to say much here, matrix is notorious for self hosting issues, and being a massive resource hog. XMPP, you have snikket, which works out of the box without issues and can be hosted on a raspberry pi even.

    I may be biased here, so I urge you to tell me, in what way would a new user adopt matrix faster? I can tell you one. Matrix has corporate funding and has managed to advertise better. That’s their only win.


  • With all due respect, this is a very biased view

    Wanna set up a server? Prosody (which has a hassle free out of the box experience through snikket)

    Need a client? Conversations

    The default softwares are easy to use for new users.

    For matrix, however, you are forced to use synapse. You complain that xmpp is not a single protocol, but in reality, all the major implementations are compatible. Can you say the same about matrix? The other implementations aren’t even close to achieving this.

    Xmpp’s extensions are a powerful feature, and the issues you think it presents do not exist with xmpp anymore, but is actually the status quo for Matrix.


  • XMPP Works fine when it’s setup or when you don’t manage the hosting, but God is it painful to self host an xmpp server.

    I recommend you use snikket if you’re having trouble selecting plugins, because it has everything you need out of the box and its super easy to setup.

    It even needs a special setup to work on restricted networks via port 80/443 because it wants port 5222 and 5223,

    Isn’t that just a configuration in prosody / snikket? What implementation did you use that didn’t let you configure this? Or are you expecting major implementations to default to port 80/443? Because that would be quite problematic.

    Most basic communication features in 2024 such as replies reactions quoting threads etc.etc. are unsupported ootb, and you need both a client that supports the extensions (often very slow to adapt “new” standards AND a server that has enabled the plugin for that feature.

    This is already supported by the major clients. I know for sure that conversations on android (and I suppose the many clients based on it) supports it. For server implementations, it is available out of the box on snikket, and it is a plugin you have to enable on prosody.