i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

Universal suffrage, abolition and gay marriage didn’t just suddenly came out of thin air because corporations and governments decided to become nicer

of course not. it was people advocating for their recognition as fully human

How are the corporations and governments going to change if one person doesn’t commit the first action of doing better and inspiring others to do the same.

didn’t you already try that

If everyone made an effort we’d live in a completely different world almost over night.

set a date

you are putting specific terminology in place of the words as written,and claiming it’s a clear connotation, when it is not

federated not Facebook

this is how blocking should work. if you are publishing something to the public, there is no reason to expect others can’t see it comment on it

it’s better than “threadiverse” which at once includes the name of a Facebook product and seems to also give Facebook all the credit for mastodon, Lemmy, pixelfed, peer tube be etc, while also making them appear to be second class citizens.

but I am not endorsing this “social web” thing yet, either.

bye

Isnt that just as futile as going vegan?

no. direct action gets the goods. if you want to save animals, you need to go where the animals are and save them.

that line on the graph you showed me will keep going up.

impossible. if the animals are not in the pen to be slaughtered, they cannot be counted toward meat production.

right

like sleeplessness, nightmares, vomiting/nausea? sometimes.

your analogy doesn’t reflect the reality at all. a more apt analogy would be that someone paid to have their grandfather murdered, and later had an estate sale. at that estate sale, if i buy a watch, am i responsible for murder? no.

And i’m not even vegan, i just recognize that yes, a part of the money i pay for meat goes to who kills it

no, it doesn’t. that person was already paid.

It’s a plain stupid argument to try and make, and it makes no sense.

it’s obvious you can’t suss it out, but the rest of us have had a pretty good conversation about it til you showed up.

No your honor, i didn’t pay for the murder, i paid for someone who paid for someone to commit the murder. I’m obviously innocent!

i would be innocent. i had nothing to do with any of their decisions, and only much later did i pay anyone, but not the people responsible.

Despite that what makes it different?

there is no such conspiracy between someone walking into a grocery store and the abattoir worker.

f you walk onto a farm and point out a pig and say, kill that one I want to eat it, and then the farmer kills it and gives it to you for money, you still have 0 responsibility for what happened

this is a conspiracy and completely disanalogous with how most people buy meat most of the time

nope. the only thing that can be said to cause the actions of a free agent is their own will.

It’s designed to make the viewer uncomfortable.

yea. it uses well-known horror film techniques to induce trauma. sudden loud sounds, long sustained shots from awkward angles, long periods of loud sounds. it’s not a documentary, it’s a lesson on abusing audiences.