That’s the official stance of everybody really.

Unofficially : US doesn’t really want that because that would significantly reduce their diplomatic influence and weapons sales. European nations don’t want it, because of responsibility, it would be expensive and we would end up with a lot of armed nations that don’t really like each other that much.

So, it’s really beneficial for everyone that it stays like it is.

If lemmy becomes just a bit more popular, the same thing will happen

You can’t say there isn’t anything to it. But for sure I agree it isn’t the whole story.

Which one is that. I guess I’ve been left out of the loop.

So all your points are “nu-uh”.

You know very well that’s not true as you have contradicted yourself a few times already.

Show me a single product that is even close to being worth the investment.

Are we talking about money now? I thought we were talking about how its all a scam that’s harming humanity.

Where?

Coding, writing, marketing, graphic design, …

Writing boilerplate articles without content for dying news outlets?

Cant you see stuff you are saying? Thats really emotional stuff, its clouding your rationale.

And where are all those great graphic design products? You mean those cool images of Trump riding a laser velociraptor?

Yes, that as well. But mainly small tasks that used to be menial and now they are practically gone. Ideas, retouching, photo manipulations,…

Yes. Also, Metaverse, blockchain, etc. Ever heard of the dotcom bubble? Same pattern.

Thats pretty naive. Dotcom bubble has nothing to do with it. A completely different thing.

Hard doubt. Because the number one virtue of a scientist is to know the limitations of their subject. So either you’re not actually a researcher, or a really bad one.

I don’t care. Plus I already said I’m not a researcher. I work at a company that does ai research.

You are so emotionally charged. I don’t know if its only your hate of AI, or if you want to somehow win over me in this conversation. Its pointless. AI already helps a lot of people in an incredible amount of ways. Some of them were mentioned in the comments. Its not serious to call them scams and I don’t know what else you said. Its not serious. I think its better to end this exchange. I must say I like talking to people with different views, but it has to be in good faith and I don’t see that here with all the generalizations.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t normally do this but lets look at what you wrote in parts.

There’s hardly any application that’s more than a gimmick.

This tech has already irreversibly changed coding, graphic design, marketing, writing, education,…

ChatGPT is an incompetent liar

Its not. Its pretty competent for a technology launched less than 2 years ago. Its the most competent piece of tech by far. (Launched less than 2 years ago) Its not a liar, its hallucinating, which is a big topic of development of this new technology.

Sora and all the image/video generators produce mediocre crap the can’t reasonably controlled

Sora is not even publicly released yet, so I don’t think its fair to criticize. Image generators have already revolutionized graphic design, marketing, art, …

This tech is done.

This tech has barely started.

Why do you think there’s no progress from openai?

There are so many news about AI advancement weakly that I have no idea what you are talking about.

The tech hit a ceiling. LLMs scaled to their current state very quickly, but each increment used exponentially more compute. There’s not enough compute, not enough training data to get better.

Says who? A few influencers? You think companies would be investing hundreds of billions if there is nothing there? Its not only about throwing things in a pot and stirring, there are different ways of organizing the training data. There is synthetic data. There is so much data in the world we will never be out of it.

I’m pretty sure, you don’t understand how models work.

You would be wrong, as I work in AI research. To be frank I don’t work as an llm researcher, but Im close enough to have picked up a few things.

None of them changed the world in any meaningful way - just scams.

AI already changed the world.

AI companies very fundamentally don’t make money, and have no way to become profitable in the near future. None of their tech has any business model. OpenAI relies 100% on Microsoft essentially donating azure instances.

First thing you said that’s actually correct, but I don’t know how that matters to your point.

Sure, AI has its applications, but not hundreds of billions worth of applications.

So it does have applications? I thought it was all scams, lies and mediocre crap,…

99%? Really? Where did you get that percentage?

The tech is awesome already and getting developed extremely fast. Sure, there are many negatives, but many might just be growing pains.

On a wider scale : this is THE tech. This is the direction, it’s is inevitable. Of course it’s important how the development happens, there are many nuances to it. What I don’t like is these blanket hate statements against something. Many people are using ai today and benefiting in personal life and business.

Yes! I’ve also got answers for stuff that would be hard to get to today. It’s already a useful tool as is.

Yeah, but that’s not really going to happen now is it? It’s fair to criticise brands for doing it, but to hate the tech because of it?

It seems, by the comments, that everyone is quite enjoying all that ai has to offer right now. I think if we phrase the question in a good way, everyone is also quite excited to see the development in the future.

Why is it the hype right now to hate ai? Sure, the brands are pushing their half baked products everywhere, but I think this is a part of the journey. Good products can’t happen without it.

I mostly played 2. It was simpler and had a lot of action. Later games became more tedious, I didn’t think the advancements in diplomacy and other stuff were good enough to displace that.

On the other hand I never really wanted the games to end. Whenever I would get close to the end I would start playing in a way to delay the end.

We have had many predictions like that before. I believed in some and I take myself to be quite conservative in these estimations. What I saw is that none of them actually happen as an event, but very gradually. The best example is artillery shells. Media has predicted that Russia will run out of shells many times, but it doesn’t happen of course, because thats not how the world works. They just reduce consumption. This reduction was not big enough for any media to even report.

What im trying to say is that there is very likely not going to be an event when Russia cracks. As sanctions are applied, workarounds are found. They have enough people by sheer numbers to at least defend the front for many years to come.

Not significantly. For now Russia made sufficient changes to endure and project an appearance of stability.

That’s not the point. The point is when will this effect the war? Significantly. Enough to matter to Ukraine.

Russian economy is going towards ruin…

… but it’s not nearly fast enough to have a substantial impact on the war in Ukraine. Russia is good to fight for another 2 or 3 years, maybe an additional year if they really push it. Can Ukraine do that? Not unless NATO seriously ramps up high tech weapon deliveries.

I didn’t know that. Can you recommend an article or something about that?

You can frame it like that or you could frame it that life saving weapons are provided while wrapping financing into something the countries can digest.

It’s just messed up messaging. Germany will continue to deliver all the aid that was promised and they might add new aid, but the financing will be different.

At this point it is necessary to mention Germany provides a lot.

Also to mention, maybe Germany gov should change their Pr department. These kinds of things have now became a pattern.

Nice!

How is this stuff legally? I have no issue with Ukraine doing this, but it feels kind of dodgy. From a western law perspective.