• Arbiter@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    The alternative is simply trusting the state will wield their violent powers fair and justly.

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      2 months ago

      There are numerous steps one can take to provide oversight to the actions of a state that do not include a literal arms race between the civilian population and the state. I would go so far as to say that civilian firearm ownership is near-negligible in terms of threats that a state actor can face, and that glorification of civilian firearm ownership as a means of ‘preventing tyranny’ is exactly the kind of atomized and easily-struck-down approach to dissent that right-wing governments encourage.

      Put it this way - if things get bad enough that you’re planning a shootout with state forces, the point where individual acquisition of an AR-15 would make the difference has long passed.

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        2 months ago

        So the arms race just needs to continue!!

        The private militia needs tanks! Missiles! Fighter jets!

        …come to think of it, I guess Mexican drug cartels are pretty much the libertarian wet dream.

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          2 months ago

          I guess Mexican drug cartels are pretty much the libertarian wet dream.

          Ooo, that one’s good, I’ve never thought of that before. I bet “So you want a weak government like Mexico?” would short circuit many libertarian’s brains.

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            2 months ago

            Except most libertarians would not give them a steady income stream: legalise drugs, prostitution and gambling and organised crime does not have much left.

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          2 months ago

          If you’re asking how oversight is enforced, then I freely invite you to examine the past century of behavior in democratic polities which involves varying levels of participation and opposition to the state in utilizing methods most effective at the given time to maximize the impact of participation by the general population and the generation of continued enthusiasm from said population. Violence is often involved - the idea of making the state ‘scared’ to ‘come to [an individual’s] door’ by civilian firearm ownership a la GOP-style no step on snek dick-waving rarely is.

          If you want me to outline the totality of escalation from civic participation to civic disobedience to direct action, I’m gonna have to decline.

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            2 months ago

            Sure, that can work but not without a lot of casualties.

            Armed or not, the state will send armed forces to break the strike violently.

            Don’t forget the lessons learned in Blair Mountain and Tiananmen Square.